MSNBC obtained a video where Bill Gates revealed some strange conversations he had with Donald Trump. In one, Gates said Trump suggested he wasn’t a fan of vaccinations:

“Gates said when he met with Trump the newly elected president asked him if vaccines were a “bad thing” and that Trump told him he was exploring forming a commission to look into “ill effects of vaccines.”

“I said, ‘No, that’s a dead end. That would be a bad thing. Don’t do that,” Gates said.”